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A sound analysis, except even making a nuclear weapon may not help Iran. Iran would need both atomic weapons and a means of delivering them effectively. That last is a bit more difficult, as it would require sufficient nuclear armed missiles to overcome both Israeli and US attacks on launch sites (i.e. the threat starting a launch wouldn't result in obliteration.)

Israel can probably be deterred, but maybe not: the use of the Hannibal Doctrine, killing their own soldiers and civilians during the 10/07 attacks indicates the nation might be willing to chance a direct hit, even if failure to stop an Iranian missile resulted in massive casualties. And make no mistake, such an attack would result in the utter obliteration of much of Iran and its people, as Israel possesses numerous nuclear weapons and has no moral compunctions regarding civilian deaths. Iran might be able to damage Israel, if Israeli counter measures against a weapon prove ineffective, but no one inside or outside Iran doubts Israel's ability and willingness to counter punch with far more devastation. So even acquiring a nuke might not change the balance of power between the two nations, given Israel has many more nukes ready to go.

Iran can't reach the US directly and at this point it's likely the US might choose to employ nuclear weapons as a first strike should the Iranian regime declare itself a nuclear armed power. That too is an existential risk for both the regime and its citizens, who might well be willing to mount their own rebellion if their only other choice is death from above by Israeli and US nukes.

At best Iran rolls the dice and goes for nuclear weapons, and hopes this doesn't immediately trigger an all out war with Israel and the US. At worst they end up committing suicide, just like the actual Carthaginian general Hannibal. It's a true dilemma, where either choice results in getting gored and bleeding out.

What I found more intriguing were the non-responses from China and Russia. Russia, it's true, is tied up with its own elective war in Ukraine, but the lack of risk taking by China and Trump's willingness to act may deter their own plans to take Taiwan by force. China may not be as bellicose as portrayed by its wolf warrior diplomats.

Or it could simply come down to Iran's messianic government isn't worth the risk in its allies' eyes, and Russia will still continue to attempt to take more of Ukraine while the Chinese bide their time, hiding their strength until they believe the moment to take Taiwan is right.

We might be reading too much into the conflict. Iran could well be, as you observe, the dog that doesn't bark, knowing it can't follow up with a convincing bite. If so, even nukes may not provide a sharp enough deterrent against further aggression from Israel or the USA.

One achievement Bibi and Trump have gained is the ideals of a moral or limited war are no longer in vogue and brutal realpolitik back. It seems madness now that we were willing to invade Iraq and kill hundreds of thousands of people, but no steal the oil. The idea of not directly attacking civilians also no longer merits serious consideration, as both Ukraine and Gaza clearly demonstrate. We're firmly in the territory of the strong do as they wish and the weak suffer what they must at this point, no moral pretenses necessary. In that sense the Iran bombing is but to be expected.

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Dear Habib, I followed you from Quora to Substack. Your perspectives are usually deep and very revealing. You said in 6 (g): "They have shown no appetite for suicidal war on their own territory). They understand that a nuclear first strike on Israel would lead to the obliteration of their country. What they seek is to make themselves uninvadable, not to be annihilated."...I hope that some policy maker sees this and it actually gets to influence some major decision...Sadly, except for maybe China, people like you never get to make or advice on major policy decisions around the world again.

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